This interview was originally
published in LA CAÑA ( Nº 3 ) June 1992.
Some
say that flamenco people do not have a biography, that they live from hand to
mouth and that their moment is the present time. But we know that Francisco
Sánchez Gómez was born on December 21st, 1947 in
Algeciras. We also know that his mother, Mrs. Lucía Gómez,
was a hard working house wife, and that his father, Mr. Antonio Sánchez,
was specialized, like all workers of the post Spanish civil war period, in making
a living: he sold cloth and was a guitar player, although he used to play the
bandurria in popular balls. Don Antonio, head of a poor and big family, had the
innate conservation instinct of those who love music and he wanted to give his
sons a guitar training, which at that time was useless. Due to that folly wish,
Ramón became a great escort of cantaores and Pepe became a good
cantaor himself. Only Antonio left guitar aside to learn languages. Paco
started studying guitar
when
he was six. Somehow, the guitar was the main thread of a deep dialogue between
father and son. «I owe everything to my father. He forced me to play when I
was a child, when you don´t have the capacity to decide what you want to do in
life. That´s when you need someone to push you, to show you the way. That´s what
my father did, among other things, since he could not send me to school because
there was no money at home. I had to find a job and take home a salary».
- Do you have complexes
because you did not go to school?
-
I used to have. There are situations in which I regret not being cultured, eloquent
in a conversation, up to date... But when you get older, you get used to being
and accepting what you are. When you are young you want to be some sort of superman.
And, of course, that leads to complexes, fears and shyness.
- Are there arts whose
incentive is hunger?
-
Hunger is always an important incentive, it convey maturity, I've learnt that
with experience. Many artists boast that they have got where they are despite
hunger, but I believe that one gets many things thanks to hunger, because if you
are born with a full stomach you have fewer incentives.
When
he is thirteen, Paco de Lucía travels for the first time to North
America as the third guitar player of the "Compañía de ballet clásico-español
de José Greco" ("Classical-Spanish Ballet Company of José Greco").
At that time, when Paco used to put his hands on the guitar, he found them full
of fingers of other artists, especially of Niño Ricardo, the most
brilliant guitar player of that time and a very close friend of his father. In
America he meets Sabicas and Mario Escudero, who advise him to find
his own style. Paco is still a child, and style is not a starting point but an
outcome, and above all, he says today «It's the individual personality». For
some people it is a complex way to express the simplest things, for others it
is a very simple way to express complex things.
- Does you imagination
go against common sense?
-
Common sense is limited since it depends on your intellectual capacity. Imagination
has no limits, and sometimes my imagination goes against common sense. Sometimes
I regret not knowing music, because it's like not knowing reason, technique, mathematics;
but the unconsciousness, the ignorance make you fly higher or, at least, make
you fly and land on places where reason would not land.
- Sabicas used to say
that there is more enthusiasm for flamenco guitar in the United States than in
Spain.
- Yes, it's true. In the
United States people have a good musical education and many young persons are
interested in flamenco, but it's in Spain where people really "Know".
If
we accept that the spirit of creation is the highest form of the spirit of contradicts
-since a new form of art necessarily contradicts another one- disobedience must
be the only true resilience if youth. Audacity and heroism can only be expressed
through the disobedience to habits and old laws. Twenty one years after the first
encounter and after a respectful and affectionate relationship, Paco de Lucía
travels to New York to attend an homage to Sabicas. During a press conference,
with his peculiar sarcasm, the old maestro sententiously states that «in
guitar playing, only the fingers have evolved». Paco was no angry about that
comment. «I was there and he was saying things against me while I was complimenting
him because I had to. He had been lazy all his life and, although he still had
loyal followers, he suddenly realized that his style was outdated, he could not
admit that, it would have been like admitting that what he was doing was no longer
valid. He had to justify himself».
Maybe
the Maestro had not understood that there is no such thing like forerunners, there
are only straggles, and that the genius, even if it can surprise us, is punctual
and, when its time comes, all clocks in the world immediately slow down. Sabicas
died in 1990, Paco believes that «friendship is the only feeling that does
not re quire explanations» and in one of his last recordings, "Zyryab", Paco
dedicates to Sabicas a Taranta «the most moving theme of the
record».
- Is flamenco the patrimony
of gypsies?
-
Gypsies say that they have making flamenco for five centuries. Besides their dedication
and the cohabitation with flamenco, gypsies have an artistic ability, an expression
and a temperament proper to flamenco. It doesn't mean that those who are not gypsies
are not qualified; the person who grows up and is in contact with gypsies is usually
very good: Antonio Chacón, El Niño Ricardo and many
others. No, it's not the patrimony of anyone, it's the patrimony of the person
who makes it since he is born; flamenco music is like that.
- Does dogmatism hinder
the evolution of flamenco?
-
In general, flamenco people are dogmatic, it may be a good thing, even though
the evolution may be slower. I don´t agree with purists: they don´t allow people
to sing or to play as they wish. They do a screening in which if what you play
or the evolution you develop is within the context, the essence of flamenco, they
admit it sooner or later. Anyway, without them, each one would do as he wished,
and even more so in the present times. I think everything is valid if you know
how to balance things.
CONTINUE